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in afghanistan, that's not going to coerce me into voting for it. on the other hand, i do think that some of the few remaining serious republicans understand that they will get blamed for this. so i think there is some pressure to do that. one other point i want to mention, rachel, which deeply angers me, these are people, the tea party people, who came to be the constitutionalists, they are in the process of launching the most fundamental assault on the american constitution, fundamental principle we have ever seen, and that was majority rule. the great breakthrough in the 18th century was self governance. and if you read the constitution, the assumption is majority rule in congress. it's majority rule in the states. in no part of the u.s. constitution are you required to get more than a simple majority of both houses to do anything. there's a 2/3 required for treaty only in the senate. that was special with foreign powers. there's a 2/3 requirement to amend the constitution or to impeach someone. but for legislation everywhere in the constitution all you need is a majority, and these pe
in afghanistan's largest television network, so there is that. while i'm not totally convinced that they'll be able to care the michael scold torch, i do have a bigger concern. who will play dwight? >>> next, beer brats and business advice. we'll take you into the man cave. ♪ born to be wild uh-huh. jeff! honey, i can't walk any faster. [ female announcer ] oscar mayer deli fresh turkey comes in a clear pack... [ cellphone beeps ] [ jeff ] ooh. thanks hun! [ female announcer ] ...so the freshness you see is what you taste. ♪ it doesn't get better than this ♪ [ female announcer ] ...so the freshness you see is what you taste. purina cat chow helps you well-being. we're all striving for it. nurture it in your cat with a full family of excellent nutrition and helpful resources. purina cat chow. share a better life. at liberty mutual, we know how much you count on your car and how much the people in your life count on you. that's why we offer accident forgiveness, man: good job. where your price won't increase due to your first accident. we also offer a hassle-free lifetime repair guar
of deceased members of the armed forces in the united kingdom who were killed in afghanistan and iraq. >> what were they hoping to find in hacking those calls? >> obviously, they were looking for information about families, they were looking for details about millie, did she disappear, was she with a boyfriend somewhere, so they had access. >> the number of people that had to be involved in this exercise has to be big. >> no. 2007, the managing director of "news of the world," now the director of "the wall street journal" went before a committee and said there was one rogue reporter at "news of the world." it's now emerged it was rife throughout the paper that virtually everybody involved was hacking someone's phone for stories, and that's why rupert murdoch took the decision at the weekend to close that newspaper for good. that's a newspaper that's existed for 168 years. no more. >> and the law on this in britain? >> oh, it's a criminal offense. but what's worse is it's now emerged that they had fiscal financial relationships with serving police officers, so, for example, one individual, a me
roberts. afghanistan's president hamid karzai's half brother was assassinated by one of his own guards. poli are seaing he was shot in the head at point-blank range inside his home in kandahar earlier this morning. the shooter was also killed. the taliban taking credit for this murder, claiming they hired the man who did it. u.s. officials believe ahmad wali karzai had ties with the drug cartel in the country. >>> wikileaks founder is in court to be extradited back. the court appearance follows a lavish birthday party he threw for himself over the weekend. >>> the great recession devastated minorities in this country, possibly erasing decades of progress made by the middle class. the recession knocked the average net worth of white house soelds from $137,000 to $97,000, a 24% drop. among black families, average net worth fell from $13,000 to just $2,000. that means black families saw their income plunge 83% from the recession. joining me in our sound-off segment is nbc contributor melissa harris perry, professor of political science at tulane as well as college of the nation. i think i
and 2006 when public support for the wars in iraq and afghanistan fell throw the floor. you cannot take anything away from the outside money and the impression that the outside groups made and the advertising they did in 2003 and 2004. >> saying those things don't work on either side doesn't make sense. >> they don't work in a campaign like this. this is not going to recruit his -- we won't know until the exit polls. >> the first thing that makes any impression in this campaign, first thing that gets national media attention is this ad that's super racist and obnoxious, hitting janice hahn about gang remediation issues in los angeles. after this happens, i'm not down with that ad at all, but we need to talk about gang remediation efforts. >> she has answered and rebutted in a way it looks like the voters in that district are satisfied with her response that she never had anything to do with the -- >> it was a 31 gap rate. >> the single thing that unifies independence and the far right of the conservative movement, the tea partiers, is the national debt and size of the government. if tha
continue to spend tens and tens of billions of dollars in iraq and afghanistan, over a hundred million a year, pour be money into corruption that doesn't help. they can't find 150 or 200 million to regulate derivative. today, this afternoon, a few hours ago, they voted in committee and i think people will be astonished by this. to reduce the legal liability we try to put on the rating agencies. the rating agents are a big part of this problem. paid by the people who are issuing the security and they gave me outlandishing favorable ratings that turn out to be accurate. we said, if you put a rating into a perspective, if i said to you, sharpton, can you guy this and here is what moody's or standard & poor's said about that, they say no -- >> they just voted to repeal that so you can't vote for having misinformation on that? >> it would be much harder. you have to show, al, that they were knowingly reckless. the fact that they were dead wrong, sloppy, careless and you put your money in and bought something worthless, that won't let you do it. you have to -- go through all kinds of directi
the economy was -- but really, we have the sound bite. >> susan page, remember the comment about afghanistan during the debate. it feels like it's almost as if we're going to find out, well, he misspoke. well, that's -- you know, right now, this is not hurting him too much but over time, this could accumulate. >> going right to a core vulnerability for mitt romney. all the flip-flops we saw last time around on social issue. he cannot afford to be someone as changing positions. if michele bachmann said something -- >> susan page, eugene robinson, richard wolff. we're coming back. you get to say something right after the break. i promise. >>> this is "hardball." two segment analysts. only on msnbc. okies goodbye. new newtons fruit thins. real blueberries and blueberry brown sugar... crispy whole grain. newtons fruit thins, one unique cookie. challenge that with olay regenerist night elixir. its gentle glycolic formula resurfaces at night for the smooth skin of a light chemical peel. sleep tight. regenerist, from olay. >>> the republican presidential field is adding yet another candidate. five-
them in his kingdom. this is a war of religion in the country and not different from afghanistan, and a few less people are getting shot. but you know, we have talked on the last show about this book of mine "sex, god and mom," and people who read that book understand that religion impacts politics and you brought up michele bachmann and i read today where she was saying that she got into politics by reading my late father francisç shea's books on calling for the people to overthrow the government and unless it sent roe v. wade back to the courts for decision to take choice away from women. this element is prevalent in the united states right now, and we can't kid ourselves, because it is extremism under the form of christianity. >> thank you, frank. >>> and now, like the fall of communism, some are beginning to suggest that multiculturalism has had the day. in the last few months a number of world leaders from prime minister david cameron in the uk to chancellor angel la ameria mm germany have spoken of the fall of this. and just as europe have developed a single currency and
at a critical moment with afghanistan broke from her official duties to do a lengthy briefing of murdoch's editors from around the world. no doubt we've seen these sorts of relationships in the u.s. >> does this beg the question, though, something like what happened to "news of the world" could happen here inside the u.s.? if these tactics are being used and administered in that corporation, how come they wouldn't be used in the united states if they are so successful else where? >> well, i think we have to understand that different parts of the world have different approaches to journalism, and there's simply no doubt that the united states has different practices. for instance, we have a constitutional amendment that protects the right to privacy. it's quite engrained in our life, so i'm not sure you'll see an exact parallel, but opening up the discussion about how murdoch operates and the way murdoch's operations have grown via relationships with government is a significant thing to do. remember, rupert murdoch has aggressively lobbied the federal communications commission for a lifti
? you know your stuff. >> listen, i can tell you what is going on in afghanistan, and iraq and pine valley. >> this makes a well-rounded human being. >> and speaking of well-rounded human being. keenan cahill, you remember the internet sensation who lip synced with the likes of 50 cent and katy perry? well, he has a new video out and this time with the "glee" stars. take a look at this guy. ♪ it is a blacked out blur ♪ but i'm pretty sure ♪ it rules ♪ last friday night ♪ you will be dancing to the ♪ drums >> you are looking at some new cast regulars there on who joined cahill during a "glee" arena, and if you are wondering how this whole thing came together, he was as i did some research the 27th most subscribed youtube channel on youtube, and so he has a following and he is pitching a tv show. >> but he looks like an entertaining character, but he has a huge following on youtube. and 29 best rated channels. >> yes. and one thing i love about him is he has no shame. half of the time, he doesn't know all of the with words to the song he is lip syncing to, but he is fun to
at the facts, they don't appear to have a vast number of military involved in the operations in afghanistan or iraq. there doesn't appear to be a particular reason for why that nation should be targeted. >> well, norway does have special forces operating around kabul, has had for a long time, and has declined to remove them. and inspite of, you know, multiple warnings from zawahiri and others, and if you look at the internet buzz on the gjihad websites that is why norway would be attacked, and another possibility is that there was a norwegian magazine a few years ago that republished the danish cartoons that muslims found offensive, and that was mentioned today, even though the norwegian government apologized for that publication. there was a thwarted attack last year that al qaeda central was believed to be responsible for. so it is not as if this is something that has been pristine in terms of threats. this is the country that has seen a number of threats, and i think that also having president obama make that statement publicly today indicates that the u.s. government at least believes i
in afghanistan. he speak at a re-enlistment ceremony in kandahar. he has just been confirmed as the next head of the cia. we'll j another update in one hour. now back to "lockup." another u hour. now back to "lockuph another up hour. now back to "lockup."a another hour. now back to "lockupv another up hour. now back to "lockupe another upe hour. now back to "lockup." >>> so this is my crib. 414. got a big 13 inch tv. get a pan of that. this is my living room slash bedroom, slash tud joe. we've got the tunes. that's not eight track, but cassette tape. might as well be. we don't got refrigerators in here. we do got foot lockers, for soup, sodas, beans. kool-aid. that's about it. >> we have inmate kevin blanco who's a little upset. he was issued three disciplinary reports. he has his own way of thinking. he portrays his own outcome before it's actually there. he implies whatever he feels is appropriate. so it's one of those things that kevin blanco wants this and he wants it now. he's not going to get it now. the officers are concerned that we may have to extract him from this rather large rec p
, but they have their own leadership structures in each country. even if we get rid of al qaeda in afghanistan or pakistan, we won't simply wipe it out in every country this is an organization that will be with us for decades, one way or another. what we have to do is try to minimize the threat as much as possible and there are positive signs that we're moving in that direction. >> okay. evan kohlman, always sobering, thank you for bring to us. >>> and lawmakers very close to an agreement. but a white house senior adviser says no deal yet. more twists in the road ahead, and we'll tell you why. overhe south pific in 1943 vietnam, 1967. i got mine in iraq, 2003. u.s.a.a. auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation, because it offers a superior level of protection and because u.s.a.a.'s commitment to serve the military, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy. get an auto insurance quote. u.s.a.a. we know what it means to serve. dr. scholl's custom fit orthotic center recommends the custom-fit orthotic that's best for your tired feet. foot-care scien
and afghanistan and other places outside the united states. we've jumped in on that and asked for what procedures they are using to make sure they are going to be in compliance with the law, and starting this thursday, we get to start putting our cops on the beat. we're here for military families, but, you know, that's just a microcosm of what's happening in all of america. that's what this agency is for. >> hearing you talk about that with such passion, and i know this is what you've been doing for all this time, i have to ask you if you wish you had been appointed by the president to be running the agency, and if now you are leaving washington, heading home to washington, if you feel you've developed a washington allergy or if you'd like to get back in there? >> let me start with the first part, we would not have a consumer agency if not for president obama. two years ago, right about now, he looked out and said the consumer agency, that's what i want to put in financial regulatory reform. over the next year while everybody fought back and forth over the regular reform bill, there were a lot of
. appreciate you being here. >> thank you. >>> up next, how can an al qaeda terrorist in afghanistan, a triple agent, if you will, manage to infiltrate the cia and kill seven operatives? we're going to talk to the author of a hit new book that takes us inside the 2009 attack. that's next, and this is "hardball" only on msnbc. >>> the u.s. government's remaining shares in the company meaning the government's $12.5 billion bailout ended up costing taxpayers $1.3 billion. >>> we'll be right back. 8gg@ú >>> welcome back to "hardball." it's been more than two months since u.s. special forces shot and killed osama bin laden. in the wake of that success, it's easy to forget the long, hard road to get there. back in debt of 2009, the cia thought he had the ultimate double agent who would lead them to the top echelon of al qaeda but turn out to be a triple agent, buried so deeply into the cia when he detonated the bomb he was wearing he killed seven cia agents as well as himself. "washington post" national correspondent jody warrick writes an that and how the cia was duped in his new book calmed "the
the top military commander arrived in afghanistan on an unannounced visit reassuring leaders thereafter a string of high profile attacks and assassinations. here at home the obama add 3i7b strags struck a deal with u.s. auto makers to more than double fuel efficiency standards it 54.5 gal miles a gallon by the year 2055. >>> a dismal week on wall street as washington wrestled with the debt ceiling debit and new reports showed anemic economic reports over the last six months. now back it "hardball." now back to "hardball." >>> welcome back to "hardball." watching the battle on capitol hill these past few weeks. outside interest groups have also been eager to throw stones at their opponents in this debt fight. millions of dollars spent on ad buys attacking the president, but if the country defaults and the economy suffers, don't the president's re-election chances suffer as well? eugene robinson is an nbc political analyst and an associate editor and columnist at "the washington post" as well as an msnbc analyst. >> the fact is if good things happen when you're president then you get more
violence in afghanistan. this is a struggle for the rule of law. >> telemundo is live in mexico city. this is still a violence that is shocking by recent standards. what is the reaction in mexico? >> richard, people in mexico is worried by this violence. in monterrey, a group of gunmen entered the bar on friday and killed 20 people. everybody could have been inside the bar and imagine having a good time and suddenly a group of men entered and kill 20 people in the place. people are worried and -- because they've been listening to it for more than five years now. in mexico city on friday, 11 bodies were found piled in the outside of the city and ten more pooem found and others close to the border found on the streets. yeah, this is shocking news. and in one of the statistics that we often forget, 40,000 dead in those five years related to drug violence. how are mexicans reacting to what the government is doing and its efforts? >> well, the last survey said that 60% of new mexicans said that the president is losing this war on drugs. they believe this war should stop. they want to get
to save $2 trillion over the next ten years there's a simple way to do it, end the wars in afghanistan and iraq and now libya. we spent $157 billion on that last year. >> if that's your scale where do you put the president? >> the president can speak for himself. i'm not the president's press secretary, but i will tell you this, i would not vote to cut social security. i would not vote to cut medicare and i think the democrats at least should pledge to do the same. i'd like to see the democrats stand up and say -- >> if you were in congress and the president's ear and the caucus and you're talking to the leadership, to nancy pelosi, what would you tell them? >> i would tell them to concentrate on what matters in the lives of americans. we have 22 million americans who can't find full time work. we have 50 million americans who can't see a doctor when they're sick. we have about 30 million american families who owe more on their mortgage than the value of their home. they owe more than they own. let's concentrate on those problems and not obsess over what the budget deficit might or mig
of honor recipient. >> willie, so many guys that have been in that situation, iraq and afghanistan and you are involved in helping some of them. we met some of them a couple weeks back. >> yes, a group called operation men. guys severely burned in ied explosions. the thing that strikes you with them and staff sergeant petry, they want to go back. >> they all want to go back. >> they want to get back and be with their brothers. sergeant petry eight deployments. he went back after losing his hand. he went back to fight. >> we have been talking, not just this morning but days on end about what's going on in washington with the debt ceiling. sergeant petry just said something about the men and women he served with having their bodies stole from them. it's an exact quote. they have something else stolen from them. it's full recovery. it's assistance for traumatic brain injuries down the road for decades to come. we have to pay for these things. >> we do. >> they better bear down in washington, 10% as much as sergeant petry, bear down. >> it's going to be a long, long haul for the young men and
to the war in afghanistan. he's given on taxes. he mised a huge opportunity in my opinion there. why can't the republicans just open their minds a little bit, give a little bit. go back on a commitment to make something happen. >> obama is wrong. >> he's not wrong. >> he had a $780 billion stimulus. the $700 billion tarp, three deficits for $1.5 trillion. we have the fete pumping in $600 billion. it hasn't worked. and so it hasn't -- if it hasn't worked, cohen calls this a cult. the cult won 63 seats. six months ago. what happened to his party. >> thankfully we didn't listen to republicans on the carr industry without the investment the american people made, we would have lost gm, chrysler, ford, and lost our ability on the global stage too. thank god we ignored the republicans when it came to saving the financial system without it. it was the right thing to do for them to pay them back. but what i want to know, ray torically, is where was the team party when bush ran the debt up. they were absent. this isn't as much political as it is substance. i don't doubt they have considerable repu
of the wars in afghanistan and pakistan. >> still not getting serious. >> i went away from fuzzy. >> is that like jerry at trick math? >> yes. >> are you surprised they don't have a deal today? i actually really -- i mean, i really thought -- >> i would be shocked if they don't have a deal in the next two or three days. again, republican freshmen may have a big ideology difference with barack obama and his world view, and the divide is no greater than ronald reagan's was with tip o'neal in 1983 when they sat down, and they did a kneel. yes, you differ with barack obama and the democrats, but -- >> usually you are good at seeing somebody's angle. like you know what their angle was. what is the angle here? i don't get it. >> these republicans believe this is their only opportunity -- >> are they so stuck to the contract with the tea party they cannot think outside the box for the good of the country? seriously? >> can i finish? you asked a question and i need to finish. they understand one thing. >> what do they understand? >> they are dead right about this. this is their best chan
found out that his son, james, who died in afghanistan in 2006 may have had not only his cell phone tapped into by the "news of the world" but also his e-mail. >> they hacked into a dead soldier. it's despicable. what else can you say? what on earth did they think they were going to find? >> reporter: in words of the prime minister, people trust the police to protect them. politicians to represent them. and press to inform them. and, he says, the british public has been failed by all three. >> we're now hearing that ru period of time murdock will fly into the u.k. tomorrow as this scandal threatens to spread. to spread to the united states where one of his most senior executives now runs dow jones in new york, but used to run the operation here, and possibly to spread to other newspapers. it is no exaggeration to say that this scandal threatens british tabloid journalism as we know it. >> okay. kier simmons, lots on the line here. thank you very much, from london. >>> independence day for the youngest nation in the world. tens of thousands of people turned out to celebrate south sud
and bring him to justice is ridiculous. >> one more on afghanistan. defense secretary panetta said "i believe we're in reach of strategically defeating al qaeda." do you believe that? >> well, he's got a lot of knowledge, so i'd give that deference -- >> that's a big accomplishment, isn't it? do you give credit to president obama in terms of al qaeda? >> he's made good decisions in that regard. finding and killing osama bin laden is good leadership, but this is a multidecade commitment and it's not over yet. >> let me ask about social policy. you've notably said you're a big fan of lady gaga, and even the song "born this way." there's a lot of debate about a gay marriage pledge in iowa, and related to that, i wonder, do you agree with some of those who are behind that, that being gay is a choice? >> well, i have two teenage daughters who listen to lady gaga, so i'm subjected to it, and it has some good qualities to it. but as to gay marriage? i'm a supporter of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. i have not supported the issues of allowing gay couples to have the same bene
a suicide bomber, an attack came at a mosque in afghanistan southern city of kandahar killing four people including the head of the provincial religious council. >>> hillary clinton went for turkey this morning meeting with senior officials for more than 40 countries. the meeting is the first stop on a 12-day diplomatic tour and comes after secretary clinton said wednesday that libyan leader moammar gadhafi's days in power of "numbered." heard that before. >>> new york congressman peter king, chairman of the homeland security committee in the republican controlled house calling for an fbi probe in the news corporation after revelations the british tabloid "news of the worlds" tried to hack information from 9/11 victims. he joins democrats in the senate who called yesterday for the gist is department and the sec to investigate. this comes as british authorities arrested the tabloid's former executive editor and parliament issued summons to rupert murdoch, his son james and former "news of the world" editor rebecca brooks. >>> and officials invist no warning in mumbai's attack. today the go
of honor from president obama. he's the second living recipient from the wars in iraq and afghanistan. he lost his happened when he threw a grenade away from two fellow soldiers during a daylight raid in 2008. brian williams has an exclusive interview with petry tonight on nbc nightly news. here's a preview for you. >> what would you like civilians -- civilians in this country who don't serve in the military a lot of them have it pretty good. what would you like them to know about their modern military? >> i had something that i come up with. i haven't heard it before. >> we'll give you credit anyway. >> i look at all the military and all the fallen heroes that gave the ultimate sacrifice and i just want the public to know that hey, take your time, honor those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice, but embrace the living ones that are still serving today. they really need your support and it's amazing what they can do with that. >> be sure to tune in right here to msnbc at 2:15 eastern for special coverage of the medal of honor ceremony. about two hours for you. >>> a new effort in washing
to report to the american people exactly how this is going to happen. >> chairman mullen is in afghanistan. he told our troops fighting there he didn't know the answer to when and where they would get paid. will the president insist that if there's a default, the troops will get paid? >> again, the treasury department -- by the way, whatever admiral mullen talked about, it's outrageous that here we are, 60 hours away from the united states of america potentially defaulting for the first time. and the reason we're here is that, particularly republicans in the house, but republicans generally had been unwilling to compromise. so, at the appropriate point, if we get to that point, the treasury department will lay out clearly for the american people, most importantly for investors, folks around the world, exactly what would happen if we default. >> i want to be clear on what the president would accept in terms of cuts, in the first stage or the second stage. in other words, that what's called in washington a trigger, which means that whatever force's congress's hand, if they don't continue to
in iraq and afghanistan, about a tr trillion there. highly questionable. speaker boehner's plan has two steps in it. totals $1.2 trillion in cuts. has a six to nine month debt ceiling and cuts and another debt ceiling mechanism next year sometime. david, seems like the president is basically saying all i want, get this out of the way before the incomes election. in that interest i'll give you what you want, basically? >> the democrats, without, and republican. s have drawn a line in the sand. problem is, it's inside it's republican tent. it's basically up to the bedroom. saying, we'll given you cuts, and part of reid's plan is $1.2 trillion in defense and non-defense discretionary cuts. we don't know what the cuts will be. may be real cuts in real problems, that the president and other democrats care a lot about. they have basically yielded to republicans on a big conceptual linking, lifting the debt creeling to spending cuts and -- >> two things republicans still want. a dollar for dollar cut in spending to mamp a debt ceiling increase and a trigger mechanism for a balanced budget amen
international service members were killed in a bombing this morning in eastern afghanistan according to nato officials. this as general david petraeus officially hands over the command of the u.s. mission there to general john allen today. hospital officials are denying a weekend report that ousted egyptian president hosni mubarak had a major stroke and was in a coma. according to egyptian state news, doctors say mubarak is in stable condition, ahead of his august trial date. >>> and a big happy birthday to nelson mandela who turns 93 today. the u.n. and mandela's organization are calling on people every to perform 67 minutes of community service in honor of his 67 years in community service. >>> and a stunning ending to last night's world cup final as japan beat the u.s. japan came from behind twice to score two goals each. the win was an emotional one from japan, which is still recovering from the devastating earthquake and tsunami back in march that left over 20,000 dead or missing. was quite the match, i have to say. even riveted me, who is usually a soccer negatory guy. >>> anyway, new
, oh, maybe this was to do with al qaeda, revenge on norway's role in afghanistan and libya, but then it turned out it was a tall, tall blonde norwegian who has been arrested as we must stress, again, as the suspect, although apparently this man was shooting throughout 20 minutes on the island and was picked up and was stopped by the norwegian swat team. it seems pretty convincing. he is at this stage still just a suspect. yeah, a nation -- absolutely a nation in shock. they can't believe it. everyone is saying this is such a peaceful country. the land of the nobel peace prize and all that stuff. now they're looking at themselves again and wondering what happened to their country. >> okay. martin fletcher, we will be speaking with you again. many thanks for the report. >>> the brutal heat wave continues to grip much of the country. how people are coping next. ♪ i used to see the puddles, but now i see the splash. ♪ i wanted love, i needed love ♪ ♪ most of all, most of all... ♪ helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three st
petrie. he lost his hand while throwing away an enemy grenade in afghanistan, saving two other rangers. >>> mississippi's attorney general is suing the administrator of the spoil fund, accusing him of denying claims. >>> cindy anthony will not face >>> cindy anthony will not face perjury charges. >>> welcome back to "hardball." with the "news of the world," the scandal went to the top today. rupert murdoch, his son james and top editor rebekah brooks all summoned to appear next week before a british parliamentary committee. last night former prime minister gordon brown announced "news of the world" hacked his records. he also described his reaction to the 2006 "sun" newspaper report that revealed his son had had cystic fibrosis. >> in tears. your son is now going to be broadcast across the media sarah and i were incredibly upset about it. we were thinking about his long-term future. we're thinking about our family. >>> joining us now is cnbc's simon hobbs and "vanity fair" contributor michael wolfe, who wrote the cover story. simon, give us an update. what have been the evil infraction
are not really new but simply counting the saving from the wind down of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. senate republicans say reid was with them on a two-step increase process, but that the white house shot that down. and the white house says it's all up to boehner to find a way forward. now, pressure is mounting, so is anxiety over the markets. here's white house chief of staff bill daley on "meet the press" yesterday. >> we are now getting to a point where i think markets around the world will question whether the political system in washington can come together and compromise for the greater good of the. >> country. >> the new fear. a downgrade in america's credit rating even if a debt creeling is raised. if only for six or nine months if it looks like washington can't figure out a long-term debt and deficit issue. by the way, something else going on here. the white house is basically out of the talks. harry reid is proxy for the white house. there isn't much communication going on between house republicans and the white house. it looked like yesterday morning that might not be the case. r
of the afghanistan war, we're against what congress voted for, americans voted for it and we have to pay our bills. >> congressional members said they met with the president a month ago and they asked him, are you going to throw us under the bus? and they're telling me tonight they were thrown under the bus. do you feel that way? >> you know what, what i'm hoping is this. when the president is talking about medicare and social security, it's about making medicare and social security strong, survivable and sustainable. and when president reagan and speaker o'neal, democrat and republican, joined hands on social security, it was about making it stronger. it wasn't about raiding social security to cover tax cuts for the rich. so that's the real question. there is enormous anxiety. >> why are we even talking about this when you've got 80% of the american people who don't want to go down this road? >> there are two interpretations. number one, we shouldn't be doing it, because medicare should be discussed on its own terms. we have to bring down the cost of health care and that's important not only for
means for funding troops in afghanistan. this morning many soldiers are asking, will we get paid? >>> good morning, everyone, i'm alex witt. welcome to msnbc saturday. we're approaching 10:00 a.m. on the east coast, 7:00 a.m. out west. congress has set itself up for a day of infighting today as the debt deadline draws dangerously close. the senate will start its session at 1:00 p.m. eastern
? >> they call this divine punishment. they say that's for norway being involved in afghanistan and for defaming the prophet mohammed, et cetera, et cetera. there's been so much damage done. who will look at this and try to copycat this? are there other people out there who are going to look at this and say, hey, it worked. we can do this. let's do it again. >> how does this translate in terms of the kind of security we need to take here in the u.s.? >> i can tell you right now that law enforcement in this country is looking very seriously both at the kind of targets that were targeted here, and more importantly, what right wing extremist groups in in country are planning. if you remember just a few years ago, there was this whole had you been loo over monitors the right wing extremists. there are extremists of all dircht flavors. just because you believe in one thing or another doesn't make you less deadly. >> thanks so much for coming in. appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >>> still ahead next hour, how same-sex marriages in new york are creating a bumper crop of wedding business. >>> th
have to go to war in afghanistan and iraq. and that means we're going to have to spend billions of dollars that we hadn't accounted for. if we had a balanced budget amendment, we wouldn't have been able to do that without raising taxes significantly. there's no way we could have cut spending quickly enough to be able to finance going to war. so there are some contingencies that make a balanced budget something that we should think twice about. you know, there's another great saying, be careful what you wish for. and we don't want to get ourselves in that hole. but if we had a federal capital budget, which would allow us to do our long-term investing offline, not on the operating budget, it might be something to be considered. but not now and not for politics. and it doesn't have anything to do with the short-term problem of getting ourselves out of the deficit. if we had a balanced budget amendment that passed in the next two years, we'd have to make massive cuts and huge tax increases to balance the budget in year three. there's no other way we could do it. >> governor, a quick
with iraq and afghanistan. the projected costs over eight years, less than $1.5 trillion. for for him to say the bush administration didn't create the deficit is hog wash. for martha mccallum to say that we shortchange the veterans. we could fight more wars is outrageous psychotalk. house republicans shut down the faa while they fight to destroy workers' rights. do you know what the number is? almost 100,000 jobs are at risk but airlines are raking in the profits. [ thomas ] my sophomore year, i was pretty confused, didn't really know what i wanted to do. didn't like high school. and then i met my teacher, mr. mccooey, and that click happened. i would never have even thought about going into the engineering field if it wasn't for these ap classes, these teachers and them helping me realize that this is a major calling in my life. ♪ i didn't always know that i would like math, but now i think it'll change my life. >>> coming up, a discussion about the working folk of america. the faa shutdown is costing taxpayers millions of dollars and it is killing jobs. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk
, and it assumes that the wars are going to eventually end in iraq and afghanistan on a date, right? now, boehner's problem with the reid plan is that it takes the big three right off the table. and, of course, the real republican two-step is to kill the new deal and defeat president obama and create more opportunities for more tax breaks at the top. neither one of these plans tonight, it must be pointed out that this is somewhat of a capitulation on the parts of the liberals and the democrats -- neither one of these plans has a tax increase. so that is a victory in itself for the republicans, isn't it? get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, what do republicans really want? debt reduction or failure of president obama? text "a" for debt reduction, text "b" for failure of president obama to 622639, and you can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you the results later on in the program. i thought tonight john boehner looked like a schoolyard bully who wanted it his way and no other way. and i found it interesting that he talked about his experien
to the pentagon budget, and it assumes that the wars are going to eventually end in iraq and afghanistan on a date, right? now, boehner's problem with the reid plan is that it takes the big three right off the table. and, of course, the real republican two-step is to kill the new deal and defeat of president obama and create more opportunities for more tax breaks at the top. neither one of these plans tonight, it must be pointed out that this is somewhat of a capitulation on the parts of the liberals and the democrats -- neither one of these plans has a tax increase. so that is a victory in itself for the republicans, isn't it? get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, what do republicans really want? debt reduction or failure of president obama? text "a" for debt reduction, text "b" for failure of president obama to 622639, and you can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you the results later on in the program. i thought tonight john boehner looked like a schoolyard bully who wanted it his way and no other way. and i found it interesting that he t
iraq and afghanistan. have made incredible sacrifices. have taken on incredible responsibilities. you know, you see some 23-year-old who is leading a platoon in hugely dangerous circumstances making decisions, operating complex technologies, these are folks who can perform, but, unfortunately, what we're seeing is that a lot of these young veterans have a higher unemployment rate than people who didn't serve and that makes no sense, so what we would like to do is potentially combine a tax credit for a company that hires veterans with a campaign to have private companies step up and do the right thing and hire more veterans, and one of the things we've done is internally in the federal government, we have minimum wage a huge emphasis on ramping up our outreach to veterans and hiring of veterans, and this has been a top priority of mine. the notion that these folks who are sacrificing for our freedom and our security end up coming home and not being able to find a job i think is unacceptable. >> mr. president, this next question comes from someone else you may recognize, and what's inte
ceiling snowdown. the handover in afghanistan today. and more trouble with pakistan. we'll talk to the intelligence chair. still ahead, uk hacking scandal claims another top official at scotland yard. send me your thoughts on twitter. this is "andrea mitchell this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement, available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car is totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? >>> you're watching live pictures of the rose garden. th
, a tremendous concern, he says. meantime in afghanistan over the weekend, the defense secretary claiming u.s. forces are with reach of breaking al qaeda. we're almost there. granted, there's only about two dozen of them, but we're almost ready to break them. and as we learned al qaeda, of course, not real threat. a new book raises questions about the methods we use to fight the war on terror in general. the author "glen carl, a former spy at the cia. the book called "the interrogator" an education. portions of the book redactsed by the central intelligence agency and mr. carl, it's a pleasure to meet you electronically. why did you write this book and what are you loping to achieve? >> thank you very much. i wrote it for two reasons. patriotic and personal ones. i was proud to serve my country for my career for 23 years. i think we're all proud of our country and we want our country to live up to the ideals that we believe it embodies and i took an oath to serve. i also am one of only ones firsthand experience in the interrogation policies used since 9/11 and wrote it for personal reasons,
phillipson just found out his son james who died in afghanistan in 2006 may have had his cell phone tapped into by the news of the world and also his e-mail. >> they hacked into a dead soldier. it is despicable. what else can you say? what on earth do they think they were going to find? >> reporter: in word of the prime minister, people trust the police to wrote tect them, politicians to represent them and the press to inform them. and, he says, the british public has been failed by all three. alex, just to explain why some people are so upset by this is alleged, for example, a missing 13-year-old girl had her mobile phone hacked into, voice mails left by her parents listened to by a private detective and even some voice mails deleted to make space so more voice mails could be left. that's why this scandal is threatening to change the nature of the tabloid press in this country. >> well, that action is obscene. it looks like they will pay for that one. thank you, keir simmons. >>> from a runaway boat to a runaway horse, here are stories you missed from the week. a scene from "the mummy." o
victims, that sort of thing. the relatives of soldiers slain in iraq and afghanistan also allegedly hacked. that's the thing about this story. it's one thing to say that celebrities and athletes and politicians' numbers were hacked. they are not particularly sympathetic figures for the general public. but when you talk about members of the general public, just people, just victims, people grieving over the recent knowledge that a loved one has been killed, that's something that everybody on all sides of the aisle have called appalling and deplorable and unacceptable. the statement by james murdoch today, i just had a chance to read it through. it's a long, perhaps 1500 word statement. in it, he says the good things that the "news of the world" does, this is the largest english language circulation paper in the world, the seventh biggest in terms of circulation newspaper in the world, but he says the good things that the paper does have been sullied by behavior that was wrong. indeed, he writes in recent allegations are true, that behavior was inhuman and has no place in our company. the "n
moammar gadhafi and bring him to justice is ridiculous. >> one more on afghanistan. defense secretary panetta said "i believe we're in reach of strategically defeating al qaeda." do you believe that? >> well, he's got a lot of knowledge, so i'd give that deference -- >> that's a big accomplishment, isn't it? do you give credit to president obama in terms of al qaeda? >> he's made good decisions in that regard. finding and killing osama bin laden is good leadership, but this is a multidecade commitment and it's not over yet. >> let me ask about social policy. you've notably said you're a big fan of lady gaga, and even the song "born this way." there's a lot of debate about a gay marriage pledge in iowa, and related to that, i wonder, do you agree with some of those who are behind that, that being gay is a choice? >> well, i have two teenage daughters who listen to lady gaga, so i'm subjected to it, and it has some good qualities to it. but as to gay marriage? i'm a supporter of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. i have not supported the issues of allowing gay couples to ha
. in ohio and pennsylvania. blue collar voters and plays a critical role in policy. right in afghanistan and the architect who negotiatinged the deal on the budget and taxes in december. i think he's probably the single closest person now to the president. three, presidents in modern times don't do this. it's only been done twice. gerald ford did it and ended up with bob dole, who got on television and talked about democrat wars, and probably shattered whatever chance ford had, and franklin roosevelt did it in 1944, but frankly could have run on a laundry ticket and gotten re-elected. i don't think it's going to happen. >> willie brown, bop schrum make as compelling case. do you have a case that trumps that? a case for governor cuomo? >> i would not suggest any circumstances that joe biden be pushed out. i think it's joe biden's option. if joe biden decides he wants to be secretary of state and hillary clinton leaves before the re-election process completes itself, then i think it will be necessary for biden and obama together to make a decision. and i think if they do make the decision
in the world. last year they had 3400 murders. >> much more dangerous than iraq, afghanistan, than the war zones according to our own mark potter from the mexican side. >> people have compared it to that level of violence. but just on the other side of the river, the trickle of water that the river is there, there were only five murders last year in el paso. it's up a bit this year to about 14. but the contrast is striking. a lot of the community leaders down there feel like the rhetoric that they hear from washington has painted a picture of their community that is not part of reality. >> kevin johnson and allen gomez. you've done a great job. let's hope that you contributed to a brand new narrative and people can understand the truth. thank you both so much. >>> up next, will the american women prove to be an irresistible force? we have anne thompson she's in frankfurt on soccer fever. this is "andrea mitchell reports." wow. it's the mr. clean magic eraser bath scrubber. [ bottle #2 ] i heard it came from space. no. from a very clean alien civilization. that's crazy. crazy clean. what?!
of afghanistan today. have to look at sort of this group mentality. this culture. guys that grew up on vietnam movies. oh, just before i go in the jungle i got two days in saigon and there's a girl sitting there going, $5. it wasn't my intention to point out individuals. but actually look at a system that allowed this and continues it allow it. that's what they call these girls, whores of war. it's been going on for decades. >> face it, the war is over. these human trafficking victims are following international missions all over the world and it's that money facilitating this entire organization. >> as we fund the global -- >> that's right. >> peacekeeping business, the money that we're funding is being then used to fund the consumption of women bip the people that are there. >> that's right. >> i wish i did not understand it. i wish you hadn't communicated it quite so effectively. i say that jokingly. you bear and extraordinary story and i thank you for sharing it with you. >> thank you. >> the movie the
with the military for fighting in iraq and afghanistan." >>> new jersey governor chris christie left the hospital last night after being treated briefly for asthma. the governor says he experienced shortness of breath and lied headedness. it didn't take long for the question of a president's run to come up, of course. let's listen. >> if i decided i want to run for president, i think you know me, charlie, i'd do it, and if there were people who don't think i'm up to it, they ought not vote for me, but we're not at that stage at the moment, so i don't have to worry about it. >> every time i hear him talk about this campaign i swear it sounds like he's looking for a way to run. not a way to not run. hamlet, move over. >>> in a prime example of art imitating life, a spy novelist. major shifts in his story. the product, a riveting and very relevant new book called portrait of a spy. the author, here again. daniel silva. first of all, congratulations. "wall street journal" best-seller. number one. >> number one. >> it will catch up. >> they don't count as well as our financial guys at the "wall street
the drawdowns of wars in iraq and afghanistan, apply that ta the biden framework. i talked to harry reid's office today. couldn't get a yes or no answer on that. i did get out of leadership aides they're not going to impb kblud the entitlement reforms that president obama had offered. there's no raising of the medicare eligibility age. there's no means testing. you're looking at steep domestic discretionary cuts.ç >> sounds as though what harry reid is you can tag about doing is taking the most volatile issues off the table for now. but is he putting up enough that's actually hard wired because if you talk about notional savings from wars that haven't been drawn down yet, a lot of things can happen between now and then. >> that savings started showing up when president obama presented his first budget it's always been seen as a little gimmicky. the house guys have been very reluctant to count it. it's not money that we're planning to spend. after their guys felt like they were sort of misled during the cr fight about how much was being saved, they're probably not willing to accept this
more years in iraq and afghanistan, and after you factor all that out, let's see what the plan is, but we don't have a lot of time to look at this plan, and i'm of the view at some point, if you're getting 85% of what you want, and i hope my side can do that, that's not a defeat. that's a victory, and the next day you start working on the last 15% on whatever is the next thing that the congress is going to do. we have to understand that nobody is going to get everything they want here, but we're not talking about new revenues right now. everybody is apparently talking about decreasing spending, and let's see where we can get now and where we can get a couple of months from now with a select committee that has to report back even more ways to cut spending. >> senator roy blunt, nice to have you on with us today. we appreciate your time. >> you bet. >> want to remind everybody we are watching what's taking place there now. full screen on your monitor, waiting for jay carney, white house press secretary, to come out and address reporters. we'll be back with much more right after this
are not helpful to them. we have an iraq war, which is still there, an afghanistan war that has been beefed up, what's good tweeter, twitter, tweeting. >> not just that, chris, but a lot of the appeal about president obama in 2008 was he was new and fresh and gave a chance to americans to write history. that happened. how do you make history twice, the answer is you don't. he has to find a way to fire up the base once again. ultimately, his message if the economy doesn't improve is the other guys will make it worse. look at their policies and views. >> john, you're key. i want to end it with that note. it's brilliant. it's about the next four years, it's not the blame game. who do you have confidence in to lead the country out of the situation we are now. thank you so much jonathan and alex wagner for tutoring me rather crudely. let me finish with -- we're going to have a birthday tribute to nancy reagan for the reasons she was a moderating force on that man next to her. you're watching "hardball." that's good, right? good job. years ago, my mother taught me. and over the years, i've taught my
of president obama when it's clear that the wars in iraq and afghanistan added to the nation's debt? >> it did. he's the commander in chief he could have removed our troops at any point in time. let's taung about barack obama's position in washington, d.c. during the six years he's been in washington our accumulated national debt has increased by more than 50 percent. what is president obama's response been now and as a senator to increase spending even more, not to cut it. but to increase spending even more. two years as a freshman senator, the debt goes up $400 billion because of deficits. two years when he's in the majority of the united states senate, it goes up $1.8 trillion. now it's up $2.8 trillion while he's president. >> you're simplifying the issues on the plate of the nation at that point. we were looking at going -- reverting into a depression at that point. everyone the fed chairman -- >> i disagree. >> do you have a degree in economics? >> yes, ma'am, i do. highest honors. >> okay. so you disagree with the fed chairman, ben bernanke. you disagreed at the time paul vol ker and ot
ten years and the expected savings from the drawdown from the wars in iraq and afghanistan is how they are calculating what they can save and the republicans are not happy about that and that is where the divide is. the real fight right now is trying to see where the winds are blowing with what is called the boehner plan. we don't know exactly when that vote will be taken, because there is a lot of head counting going on and maybe some arm twisting, too, to figure out if they can get it through. should it not pass, we are into another whole scenario of what to do next. >> kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. thanks. we want to bring in kristen welker at the white house. kristen, jay carney, the white house press secretary says that he does not believe that the default will happen. as we hear from the two sides both agreeing that the debt limit needs to be raised, it is inevitab inevitable. >> it is the one thing that all sides can agree on here, and you are right, the press secretary jay carney says he has complete faith that the debt ceiling will be raised by next week, but the big q
overseas in afghanistan and iraq which the republicans did in their own budget presentation here in the house. >> it is as confusing as you say, and we are still waiting to see how this matter will be resolved. congressman chris van hollen, thank you for joining us. >> good the o be with you. >>> and if anyone can make sense of the situation, it is our team in washington. stay tuned. ♪ operator can you help me ♪ help me if you please jeff, lunch! uh-huh. jeff! honey, i can't walk any faster. [ female announcer ] oscar mayer deli fresh turkey comes in a clear pack... [ cellphone beeps ] [ jeff ] ooh. thanks hun! [ female announcer ] ...so the freshness you see is what you taste. ♪ it doesn't get better than this ♪ helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health. just don't feel like they used to. are you one of them? remember when you had more energy for 18 holes with your buddies. more passion for the one ya love
" is a bestseller. it features an updated bond who's seen action in afghanistan, chasing criminal masterminds from dubai to capetown in a frantic five-day race to, you guessed it, save off disaster. i read the book on vacation last week. i'm here to tell bond fans it's a great beach read and worthy new edition to the genre. joining me, the latest keeper of the bond legacy. the author of "carte blanche" jeffrey deaver. >> how are you doing today? >> great. i have to start with one of the things bond lovers love, bond always has drinks and cars and various things. you created a new drink i want to hold up for your james bond. i have to tell you, at the hotel i'm staying at last night, i actually took the book on kindle, brought it to the bartender and had them make this. we have the recipe, i think, we can put up also. it's crown royal. a double, double -- two shots. >> it's james bond. it has to be a double, of course. >> has to be a double. over ice with a half measure of triple sec for sweetness and a slice of orange peel. and a couple dashes of bitters. you made this drink up. here's to you. >>
. we're told that by military officials that he'd never been deployed to either iraq or afghanistan, and, in fact, had applied for conscience shs objective status, saying he was a muslim. >> thank you very much, pete williams, i know you'll keep us updated. >>> a lot going on in washington, d.c., clearly, including the ongoing news conference with the gop freshmen. we have the senators also taking to the floor, and there you have the chamber, where we are going to be seeing a vote a little later on today, and we're going to be hearing from john boehner early in the afternoon, so this could be an extremely consequential day in this debt fight in washington. keep it here on msnbc. i love that my daughter's part fish. but when she got asthma, all i could do was worry ! specialists, lots of doctors, lots of advice... and my hands were full. i couldn't sort through it all. with unitedhealthcare, it's different. we have access to great specialists, and our pediatrician gets all the information. everyone works as a team. and i only need to talk to one person about her care. we're more than
to afghanistan, and that would turn a corner. >> or something with a base in their district. that does not work with this tea party caucus. that according to jeff blake, republican, was saying last night. that is refreshing in a lot of regards. this is the reform that a lot of people want. but the question is, has it gone too far. does it go beyond the limits of what is reasonable and what is gettable. and are they going to, you know, give up the goods trying to get the perfect here because they do have the offer of cuts, the trillion -- up to a trillion dollars in the boehner bill and more that they gave up in the earlier compromise that was rejected last week. and, you know, they could have gotten up to $4 trillion. now it will be a lot less. they could get $4 trillion just by giving up the bush tax cuts. there are a lot of options here, but they're not willing to concede -- that group is not willing to concede any kind of revenue changes and that has been one of the sticking points. the other sticking point is they just want more from the spending side than even conservatives think is possib
kathy was terminated. if you follow the news right now, we have 5-year-old boys in afghanistan. this is, i think that particular chapter of life. it's still continuing to this day. it's why we screened the movie for the u.n. the u.n. correspond ens. we got a leaked memo that the secretary general is concerned about the film. they will not -- they are trying to do a damage control thing. >> no commenting, no condemnation? >> no. we have internal memos saying it happened, but let's not make it public. we are trying to comment on this issue, not -- or the state department or whoever. this isn't something that happened way back when. it still continues and we can look at the laws of international immunity and this can be -- >> right. >> there's -- there are gray areas to things, but in my opinion i think you agree it's black and white, peacekeepers should not be buying and selling girls. >> we can all agree on that. >> you know. >> i'm trying to figure out what the bush state department incentive would be for covering it up? >> really? >> why? >> to be honest -- >> united nations. >> this h
afghanistan, pakistan. you're reading a couple pieces in the "new york times." now it's spreading to all of these different countries and one that really jumped off the page for me, drone attacks in somalia. >> joining us, jeremy scahill, on the cia secret sites in somalia, jeremy, the secret training programs and secret prisons out of somalia is part of your reporting there. how big a threat are these terrorist group there's? >> we should say first of all president obama campaigned on a promise to go up against these bush era policies declaring war on the world, running secret sites, torturing prisoners. deeply involved in an underground dungeon officially run by the somali national security agency, but their salaries are paid by the cia directly. in fact, one somali agent described thousand hairli ed ho and paid by u.s. agents and the u.s. is interrogating prisoners, including those rendered by the kenyan government, snatched off the streets in nairobi based on u.s. intelligence and taken to this secret prison and interrogated. it goes against the president's ordered he signed in janua
. a gaines france in the semifinals. great start for usa. lauren cheney, the troops watching in afghanistan love it. usa up, 1-0 there. france picks up the pace. a good looking goal. solo. the keeper. nice play there to keep it away. they fire a shot off the crossbar. 1-0 at halftime. 54th minute. tough play. the ball sneaks off the back post. we are tied at 1. in the 70th minute, the french keeper can't hold the save. a rebound chance. it's not the way. she was called off sides. nine minutes later, usa with a corner kick. abby wombach knocks it in. the same head does it again. usa up, 2-1 there. three minutes later, another beautiful play. shoots with her left foot. usa advances with 3-1 victory over france. the other semifinals, japan wins 3-1. sunday, the women's world cup, the united states of america versus japan. earlier, we told you about the yankee fan who handed over derek jeter's home run hit. now we can stop feeling bad for the 23-year-old. here is why. miller has offered to pay for all his yankee-related taxes should the irs come after him. that's one thing. two companies, model
for every truth that we have in afghanistan. something people are recognizing, that the defense has got to be a part of this. and secretary gates basically has played a shell game. you're giving him too much credit. he said let's spend more on the state department, but he didn't want to take any from defense. where did he think he was going to get it? he never did, he, for example, in 2008, he presented what he thought would be his last budget to congress, the 2009 budget on the bush administration. he said by 2012, we'll need about $543 billion in the base budget. you know what he asked for this year? $553 billion, that's after he pretended to make all these cuts. >> what kind of leadership do you think is needed and could be expected in order to get this done. republicans are touting their issues of fiscal issues, and there's a question whether the fiscal gains could be culled from the defense issue. and especially in the last decade. >> i think you're seeing a return to the tradition republicans now. let's not forget eisenhower cut defense spending by 60% in his time in office, nixon
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